Erie Trader

[William Lafferty]

ABS lists an IMO number for the Great Lakes: 8641111. However, no other "official" site does (IHS, USCG, etc.). These phantom IMO numbers are odd.

[Guest]

Wikipedia has this to say about IMO numbers:

In the SOLAS Convention "cargo ships" means "ships which are not passenger ships".[2] The IMO scheme does not however apply to:
Vessels solely engaged in fishing
Ships without mechanical means of propulsion
Pleasure yachts
Ships engaged on special service (e.g. lightships, SAR vessels)
Hopper barges
Hydrofoils, air cushion vehicles
Floating docks and structures classified in a similar manner
Ships of war and troopships
Wooden ships[1]

The IMO says:

“As a result of the attack on the USS Cole, the events of Sept. 11, 2001 and the suicide bombing of the oil tanker Limburg, the IMO held a Diplomatic Conference on Maritime Security in December 2002. At the conference, it adopted a number of measures aimed at enhancing the security of ships and port facilities. In addition to the creation of the well-known ISPS Code, the conference also included a modification to SOLAS Regulation XI-1/3 to require ships’ identification numbers to be permanently marked in a visible place either on the ship’s hull or superstructure.

And last: gCaptain’s Short Answer: A vessel’s “IMO Number” is the single best way to track and locate history on a ship since each number is unique and is the only identification that remains with a vessel from shipyard to scrapyard.

Given this information it would seem logical that neither the GL Trader nor the Erie Trader would have an IMO number since a)neither were ever propelled by machinery and b) neither are SOLAS classed vessels. It would be interesting to see if the barge Great Lakes has an IMO number, since she was never propelled by machinery. All of the lakes conversions like the Kubers, Pathfinder, PM 41 were of course one time propelled by machinery, and as such will have an IMO number they will take to the scrapyard.

[MattM]

This has been interesting and strange. I'm now wondering if I should leave the number on the Great Lakes Trader's page or not.

[Mr Link]

Last week I used the IMO number 8635966 on Lloyd's website and it came back with the Great Lakes Trader. Today it is not working. The barge is still in there but has no IMO listed. I must have tripped a red flag for them?

Perhaps I'm imagining things, but I think on April 30th, when that IMO number was first posted in this tread, the ABS Eagle record for Great Lakes Trader showed the IMO number of 8635966. Now it is blank.

The site where you actually request IMO numbers does not seem to have a lot of security. I get the impression that verification of data occurs, but lags well behind the issuing of numbers.

[William Lafferty]

There are no returns for IMO 8635966 in any database to which I have access.

[MattM]

JohnH
I wouldn't use the gallery page off Boatnerd for defense since I'm the one updating them. lol! Updating the pages is what lead me into this IMO issue.

Bill
Last week I used the IMO number 8635966 on Lloyd's website and it came back with the Great Lakes Trader. Today it is not working. The barge is still in there but has no IMO listed. I must have tripped a red flag for them?
I also noticed that the Erie Trader is not listed at all in their database. Not even under Lakes Contender.
Do you find anything listed under the number 8635966?

[JohnH]

This page has photos and much information that agrees with the information found when looking up the IMO number.

http://www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/gltrader.htm

Note that the IMO site lists its home port as Escanaba, MI, which can be seen on some of the photos.


http://maritime-connector.com/ship/grea ... r-8635966/

[William Lafferty]

Interesting the Erie Trader does not have an IMO number and the Great Lakes Trader does.

The Great Lakes Trader does not have an IMO number, either. The IMO number given for it by some sites does not show up in any IHS sanctioned sites, as well as ABS and USCG documentation. If it had had an IMO number, it would remain with the hull throughout its existence. The basic purpose of an IMO number is to verify the identity of a vessel throughout its life.

[MattM]

Interesting the Erie Trader does not have an IMO number and the Great Lakes Trader does. I knew barges are not required to have one assigned but notice the GLT had one. When I couldn't find one for the Erie, I thought I'd ask here and see if she had one or not.
Thanks for the info!

[William Lafferty]

Mr. Lafferty is correct in that the Erie Trader has no IMO number, though the fact that it is not self-propelled is not the deciding factor in that regard.

Equasis, ABS, and USCG list no IMO number for the Erie Trader. The IMO number given below, 8635966, doesn't show up on Equasis, which handles IMO number ship searches for IHS Maritime & Trade, which allots them. IMO numbers are given out to propelled vessels over 100 gross tons, with some exceptions.

[JohnH]

Here is a good site to check for IMO numbers

http://maritime-connector.com/ships/

[Guest]

Mr. Lafferty is correct in that the Erie Trader has no IMO number, though the fact that it is not self-propelled is not the deciding factor in that regard.

[JohnH]

The IMO number 8635966 is registered to the barge Great Lakes Trader which is with the Joyce L Van Enkevort, not the Clyde S Van Enkevort.

[Guest]

The IMO would be 8635966

[William Lafferty]

As non-self propelled, the vessel has never been issued an IMO number.

[MattM]

Does anyone know what the IMO number is for the Erie Trader? I have 9618484 for the Clyde S Van Enkevort but nothing for the barge.