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by **New Guy Rick** » December 11, 2015, 11:38 am

Guest wrote:I think the old 'iron clad' ships from the civil war period had better lines than the zimwaltt !

Looks like a keel sailboat that went turtle....

by **Guest** » December 10, 2015, 7:17 pm

I think the old 'iron clad' ships from the civil war period had better lines than the zimwaltt !

by **Guest** » December 10, 2015, 3:23 pm

Coalburner wrote:Not even the LCS Class ships could navigate the Mississippi. Only 8 ' depth maintained.
During WW2 they shipped submarines on special barges down the Illinois River and the Mississippi to the Gulf.
Was no other exit from Great Lakes at the time.

It was just a joke about the Zumwalt being able to navigate the Mississippi.

by **Coalburner** » December 10, 2015, 2:34 pm

Not even the LCS Class ships could navigate the Mississippi. Only 8 ' depth maintained.
During WW2 they shipped submarines on special barges down the Illinois River and the Mississippi to the Gulf.
Was no other exit from Great Lakes at the time.

by **Guest** » December 8, 2015, 11:14 pm

Guest wrote:
Restoring a classic lake boat for display is somewhat more expensive and difficult than restoring and showing a classic car.

A '57 Chevy will fit in my garage, the J.B. Ford will not.

Unfortunately it would be impractical to preserve the entire ship on land, but the bow section of the J.B Ford could fit on an appropriately sized lot along a lake. :) That would be cool, huuuhuuuh.

by **Paul A** » December 8, 2015, 11:02 pm

Garbear and BobG, you guys are really funny L'ingOL! Actually, if the Klingon ship can navigate the Mississippi, she can dock under the overhang of the Klingon theater at the head of river navigation!

by **BobG** » December 8, 2015, 8:51 pm

Coalburner wrote:Well if you are concerned about looks, the US Navy's newest destroyer DD1000 Zumwalt is way over the top.
There is a recent article about it heading out for sea trials.
This baby gives new meaning to "ugly" or "beautiful". Note the Cap's name - Hmmmm.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.s ... he_he.html

Like something out of sci-fi -- or a nightmare.

Welcome to the Klingon Navy.

by **garbear** » December 8, 2015, 8:51 pm

Coalburner wrote:Well if you are concerned about looks, the US Navy's newest destroyer DD1000 Zumwalt is way over the top.
There is a recent article about it heading out for sea trials.
This baby gives new meaning to "ugly" or "beautiful". Note the Cap's name - Hmmmm.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.s ... he_he.html

It's too bad the Guthrie Theater in Minneapolis isn't close to the water. It would be a great docking port for the Zumwalt.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/200 ... large1.jpg

by **Guest** » December 8, 2015, 7:03 pm

don't be fooled. that zimwalt is an old civil war iron clad !

by **Guest** » December 8, 2015, 4:23 pm

Guest 5464 wrote:
Lakercapt wrote:..fancy lines and streamlines were OK on old cars but would you buy one like that today??
The popularity of Classic car shows would indicate a major interest in auto designs of the 20th. Century. Although not everyone can afford one or would choose it as their main form of transportation, there are plenty of people putting big bucks into the restoration and upkeep of these cars.

Restoring a classic lake boat for display is somewhat more expensive and difficult than restoring and showing a classic car.

A '57 Chevy will fit in my garage, the J.B. Ford will not.

by **Coalburner** » December 8, 2015, 1:36 pm

Well if you are concerned about looks, the US Navy's newest destroyer DD1000 Zumwalt is way over the top.
There is a recent article about it heading out for sea trials.
This baby gives new meaning to "ugly" or "beautiful". Note the Cap's name - Hmmmm.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.s ... he_he.html

by **Guest 5464** » December 8, 2015, 12:30 pm

Lakercapt wrote:...fancy lines and streamlines were OK on old cars but would you buy one like that today??

The popularity of Classic car shows would indicate a major interest in auto designs of the 20th. Century. Although not everyone can afford one or would choose it as their main form of transportation, there are plenty of people putting big bucks into the restoration and upkeep of these cars.

by **Guest** » December 8, 2015, 10:28 am

In a few years, there will be very few ships to look at. I was blessed to see the Ryerson, Cliffs Victory, all the C-4s and many other great ships in the end of the hay-days of the 60's & 70's. My dad was a captain with Wilson and Kinsman and I got to ride along a many times, and worked for US Steel in the 70's. Things got ugly in a hurry when the Cort arrived. With steel prices crashing and invasive species like zebra mussels ruining the Great Lakes ecology and sportfishing, soon the sailboats will have it all to themselves.
Take lots of pictures while you can. The handwritting is on the wall.
Roger Aho

by **clarkjol** » December 7, 2015, 8:37 pm

I like the looks of the Manitoulin "wings" on the wheelhouse. I am sure they will be used.
As far as safety and visibility is concerned, have there been any incidents
involving LLT's Ashtabula? How about CSL's now gone Canadian Ranger?

Wish I could get excited about the Equinox or the Trillium class lakers,
but I can't, but a laker along the lines of the Manitoulin gives me a break
from the common and the mundane.

by **Lakercapt** » December 6, 2015, 10:48 pm

Does not matter one iota what we think the look like they have only one function: to carry as much cargo as possible in a safe and efficient manner without causing any environmental damage and still comply with current regulations and restrictions.
I may have an opinion about their looks but fancy lines and streamlines were OK on old cars but would you buy one like that today???

by **RCRVRP** » December 6, 2015, 9:50 pm

Yes I did intend it as food for thought and I'm pleased that it has turned out to be just that.
The boat watchers here have turned it into a nice thread.
I'm pleased, thanks.

Carry on, lets hear more.

by **trvguy** » December 6, 2015, 8:07 pm

A big AMEN to what David Merril said.

by **Wawatam** » December 6, 2015, 7:25 pm

Mac Mackay wrote:Coincidentally I too am a terrestrial architect of long standing.....

It appears that we may be kindred spirits (as far as boats and architecture are concerned anyway).
The author of this thread said that the topic should be “food for thought”.
It’s been a long time since I’ve pondered the virtues of utilitarian design - on land or on the water. This definitely has been food for thought for me.
Boats are fun to watch, fun to photograph and fun to talk about. I’ll just say, less is more and leave it at that……

by **Guest** » December 6, 2015, 5:22 pm

Guest wrote:So all cars and trucks are safe, functional and efficient? Not a chance and that's because the buyer is often willing to spend a bit more for something that looks good, even if it gets lower gas mileage, spends more time in the shop and costs more to insure. Not all accountants drive Honda Civics, it seems.

I don't know how we went from talking about the way new boats look to cars and trucks. If you're implying that these new boats are being built without safety in mind, you're joking, right? Possibly they aren't functional. It would be nice to here from people who have sailed on the Equinox and Trillium Class boats to see what they think.

by **davidmerrill** » December 6, 2015, 4:59 pm

The only thing I find objectionable is that they are not built in the USA or Canada.

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