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Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 4, 2017, 5:18 pm

Thankyou Mr. Link for the full story about the Incan Superior.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Mr Link » February 4, 2017, 12:02 pm

It is roughly 200 miles between Thunder Bay and Superior by water. The most direct route by rail is the Canadian National route through Fort Francis (near International Falls) at about 335 miles. But it was CN's rival Canadian Pacific that developed the car ferry route. They had an opportunity to haul newsprint ( a high value shipping commodity) from Thunder Bay to Chicago and other midwest US markets. And at the time CP controlled the Soo Line Railroad in the US. But their most direct all rail route was about 700 miles through Winnipeg. Or they could go east to Sudbury and then back west to the Soo and the Upper Peninsula. Because of such long all-rail hauls, the seasonal car ferry made economic sense. That is until CN partnered with Wisconsin Central in the US and started offering a far lower rate.

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Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Guest » February 4, 2017, 8:11 am

This question has probably been asked before: why transport these rail cars by water over such a short distance ? It seems like a route better suited to rail. Owning and maintaining a ship with a crew of 10 and the support infrastructure must have been expensive. Of course it made sense or they wouldn't have done it but can someone explain the rationale ? TIA

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 4, 2017, 8:06 am

Ray - That was built for the skippers to use when they backed the ship up but it was never used and I don't know why. They would run back and forth to look out the widow, crazy ! It had the same controls that were in the wheelhouse.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Ray » February 3, 2017, 9:06 pm

In the picture of the tank car on deck - what is the small mini-pilot house-looking structure with boarded up windows? (And why boarded up?) I'm assuming this structure is facing toward the stern.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by St Crapo » February 3, 2017, 8:43 pm

Another fantastic story Capt. Thanks so much for sharing it with us. Looking forward to the next one.
Dan McNeil

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by William Lafferty » February 3, 2017, 4:06 pm

The engines are twin EMD 12-645E3s, each rated at 2150-bhp, as Captain Metz said.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 3, 2017, 2:59 pm

All remember about the engines that they twins 2150 HP each. I kind a think they were GM but I could be wrong. Sorry.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by sydbc » February 3, 2017, 2:03 pm

Shes still running today for Seaspan ferries as Princess Superior
From Tilbury on the Fraser river to Vancouver island
Seaspan is getting 2 new LNG powered ships
So not sure of her future

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Billius » February 3, 2017, 9:29 am

Thanks for another interesting story Capt. Metz.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 3, 2017, 9:06 am

I talked to the Captain who bought the Incan from the West Coast and they did the same thing as you did. The tank car full of fresh water was left on deck and when we made the first trip to Superior it was the trial car to be off loaded to see if everything was alright with the track line up. You can see the tank car on my first story. Thanks for the input.
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rail car filled with fresh water was the trial car to be first to unload.
rail car filled with fresh water was the trial car to be first to unload.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Guest » February 3, 2017, 12:43 am

Capt, did the Incan Superior have twin EMD 12-645 engines?

Thanks

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Inca Superior » February 2, 2017, 6:15 pm

As part of the crew taking the Incan Superior on its final voyage on the Lakes (I still have the pen and pencil set commemorating that), from Thunder Bay to Montreal.
There was a rail tank car secured on the deck to supply fresh water for the trip to the west coast and a few domestic freezers for food as there was not enough space in the shipboard ones.
The tank car was filled in mid Lake Superior.
We secured in Port Colborne to undergo inspection and after showing the inspector how the boat would secure in the locks without the regular seaway winches and leads. The method was manila rope and as it was only a one shot deal it was accepted.
The canal was not busy so there was no problems.
In Montreal a stop for fuel and fitting of addition navigational equipment and bye bye as they were on their way via Panama canal to the west coast.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Guest » February 2, 2017, 6:08 pm

You owned the ole Mentor? I'll be. I remember as a kid sleeping in the bow of it, back when it was owned by the Pelen brothers, Steve and Bill. I also recall them trying for a long time to get that engine to work properly.
By the way, I spent many a weekend on the Welcome Islands, Rum and coke in hand wondering who that guy was taking the Incan through the inside passage of Pie island. Small world.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 2, 2017, 3:10 pm

Mr. Link. Thank you for the update on Incan Superior. To bad she will soon be out of service. But she was 43 years old.

Rob- I forget way they never covered the deck. She was hot in the summer loading and unloading and cold in the winter.




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Ice on Lake Superior
Ice on Lake Superior
Entering Duluth Piers
Entering Duluth Piers
Iced up Bell on Incan
Iced up Bell on Incan

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Mr Link » February 2, 2017, 1:23 pm

Capt. Metz,

As always, your stories are a joy to read.

Just in case you were not aware, it sounds like your former ship's time active with Seaspan may be nearing an end. Seaspan has taken delivery of a new ferry Seaspan Swift from a Turkish shipyard and a second ferry, Seaspan Reliant, is currently at the Panama Canal on its delivery trip. Once it arrives it sounds like the Carrier Princess will be retired. And Seaspan has announced it plans to order 3 more ships of the same design, which will allow the retirement of the Princess Superior and several tug barge units.

The new ships are basically jumbo-sized versions of the Princess Superior (former Incan Superior).

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Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Rob » February 2, 2017, 12:56 pm

Capt. Metz,
Your tug was a real beauty.

Why was the Incan Superior designed with an open car deck and no sea gate? Did it have to do with the route? I would think navigating a ship like that on Lake Superior could provide some real challenges from time to time.

Your stories never disappoint.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 2, 2017, 10:50 am

If I remember right we had two crews working two weeks on and two off, each crew had 10 men. It all would depend on the rail road if they were on time. but if they were it would take 2 hours to unload & load. That's if we did not have a derailment cause by the drawbars. Some cars had small drawbars like Milwaukee Road, Burlington cars had larger drawbars and were easy to load. When I went back on the lakes I sold my tug in Thunder Bay. I had her in fine shape, 10 years later I looked at it and all wood rot, I could look down through the deck and see the engine. Sad.
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Tug Carrie Lee.
Tug Carrie Lee.

Re: " Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by Darryl » February 2, 2017, 9:52 am

How many guys worked on the Incan at one time? And do you still have the tug? And finally, how long did it take to unload it? TIA, Cap!

" Sea Stories" Thunder Bay to Superior- 694 Times

by captrmetz » February 2, 2017, 9:34 am

Thunder Bay to Superior - 694 Times

In 1974, M/V Incan Superior was a new carferry. Built in Vancouver, British Columbia, she came to Thunder Bay, Ontario, by way of the Panama Canal and the St. Lawrence Seaway. Incan was 365 feet long, and powered by twin diesel engines boasting 2,150 horsepower each. She had twin screws, and with a speed of 30 knots would be the fastest ship on the Great Lakes.
From Thunder Bay, she carried 26 railroad cars, loaded with newsprint for the paper companies in the US, to Superior, Wisconsin. She brought empty rail cars back to Thunder Bay.
The day Incan arrived in Thunder Bay, I had to see her right away, even if she was nothing but a glorified tug and barge like the skipper on the Senator of Canada said. But what I saw was a ship! A ship with beautiful lines, very modernly built with twin swept-back stacks and pilot house. I thought, “If old grumpy could see this…”
It was a comfortable feeling to go aboard a new ship where everything was nice. All the navigation equipment was new. Everything smelled of newness. I stowed my gear in my nice, new cabin.
What a surprise when the first person I met was Whitey. The first words out of his mouth were, “See, I told you.”
Yes, he was right, and I could not thank him enough. I could not believe this was happening to me. How did I luck out and get this job? Of all the applications that were submitted, how in the world was mine chosen? I found out later that everybody thought, as I did, that it would be tough to get a job like this, so very few actually submitted an application.
Life was great again. Incan Superior had two crews, each working for 15 days on and then having 15 days off. We worked 12 hours a day, six on followed by six hours off. What a job!
On our first trip to Superior, we had a deck load of only one rail car as a test. As we entered the breakwall at Superior with all flags blowing steadily into the wind, a group of small craft came out to escort Incan through the piers and along the inside harbor to Duluth. Television helicopters flew overhead taking pictures, various tugboats and ships blew whistle salutes, and high-pressure water hoses shot streams of water far into the air.
The captain backed Incan up to the ramp. Now the big test was to begin. The rail track on the ramp was built in Superior, Wisconsin. And the rail track on the ship’s deck was built 2000 miles away in Vancouver, British Columbia. When the ramp lowered to the deck of the ship, the tracks were supposed to match up so the rail cars could be loaded or unloaded. But would they?
All the engineers and other personnel from England as well as railroad officials stood by waiting for the ship’s stern to approach the ramp. The ramp man was in radio contact with the skipper telling him how far to back her and in what direction to move the stern for the lineup of the pin to be directly below the notch of the ramp. Everything was all lined up and the ramp man gave the thumbs down signal for the ramp to be lowered. On the first try, as the ramp moved down toward the pin, the stern moved out of position. The signal was given to stop the ramp from lowering. By radio, the stern man guided the skipper to move the stern back into position. This time, when the thumbs down signal was given, the ramp connected to the ship.
All the bigwigs scurried up the ramp to check on the track lineup. To their great surprise, each set of tracks lined up perfectly. A loud cheer went up, and everybody was congratulating everybody else and slapping each other on the back. The one lonely rail car ran over the tracks, down the ramp, and onto the shore. Everything worked.
The bigwigs headed for their cocktails and feast, and we secured the ship for the night. All was quiet. Everything worked exactly to the plan worked out in three countries thousands of miles apart. Our crew went uptown for beer and pretzels.
The following weeks turned into months and the months into years as the Incan Superior traveled back and forth between Thunder Bay and Superior.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
On my two weeks off, however, my time was my own. One day, I noticed a converted tugboat for sale in the local paper. I gave the owner a call, and decided to take a look. At my first glimpse of her, I knew that she was mine.
The vessel was named Mentor. She was a 40-foot wooden-hull tug with a 100-horsepower diesel engine for power. In a few weeks of work between stints on the Incan Superior, I had the little tug fixed up to my own liking, loaded my dive gear aboard, and headed out across Lake Superior for Isle Royale, 60 miles from Thunder Bay. This time I saw the island not as an employee, but as a visitor. I could again smell the pine forest from miles off its shores. I felt I was home.

I made the crossing alone and arrived at McCargoe Cove late at night. Using radar, I ran the little tug around and in between the many rocky reefs that lay just under the surface of the cold water. They waited silently for just a small error on the part of a sailor that would allow them to snatch a weary boat from the safety of deeper water. But this sailor would not be caught; for I knew these waters well from my days of working on the island.
I anchored in the bay and made myself a cold drink, which I sipped openly on the stern of my boat. It was a beautiful night. The North Star shone brightly just off the end of the Big Dipper. The Northern Lights shimmered in the northern sky as they showed off all their beautiful colors. God, I felt so fortunate to be back on my island looking at Mother Nature’s creation! In the distance, the loons called for their mates. Mr. Sandman came for me.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Each winter when Incan Superior was laid up, I went back to navigation school. I received my first mate’s ticket and eventually my masters license.
Time passed, and I was Incan’s first mate with a masters ticket in my pocket. I wanted my own ship to sail. Rumor had it that Incan Ships was going to build another vessel to run from Red Rock, Ontario, to Superior. I figured she would be mine to sail, so I bit my pride and decided to stick it out a little longer on Incan Superior.
Life really wasn’t too bad. On my two weeks off, I lived on my boat and dove the wrecks around Isle Royale. When I left Incan Superior for my two weeks, George, the cook, packed me a big box of leftover food from the galley for me to take to my boat. The chief engineer always had diesel fuel leaking from various hoses and pipes that was caught in buckets to be dumped into a holding tank ashore. “What if I take that fuel for my boat instead of getting rid of it?” I asked.
“Okay with me,” the chief agreed. I would let the diesel fuel sit and settle in a drum for a few days, then pump off the good fuel at the top of the barrel.
So I had food and fuel to last me for two weeks. Isle Royale, here I come…
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
More time passed, and still there was no new ship and no captain’s job in sight for me. The Incan Superior job was starting to take a toll on me. It was very boring on the same old run trip after trip. I knew that at 2000 hours we would be abeam of Rock of Ages Light; at 2400 abeam of Grand Marais, Minnesota; and so on, all the way to the Duluth piers. I needed another change in my job and my life.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
It was 1980, and I was under the engine in my boat, full of grease and oil, when the boat listed over. That told me someone had just come aboard. I heard a voice ring out, “Permission to come aboard, sir.”
“Come on,” I yelled back as fuel ran down my shirt sleeves and into my armpits.
It was my old friend, Rick Hulst, who had helped me get my first third mate’s job with the grumpy Old Man on the Senator of Canada. Rick apparently had just come home and was still wearing his suit and tie. He didn’t even say hello or shake my greasy hand. “Do you want a captain’s job now, or do you still insist on playing mate on the Incan?”
“What’s up?” I was more than ready to leave the Incan.
“Come with me to my house, and I will call Captain Ron Dean, shore skipper for the Soo River Company.” I went, grease and all.
Rick placed the call. I talked to Captain Dean and he offered me a master’s job on one of their ships.
After seven years and 694 trips on which I sailed 277,200 miles between Thunder Bay, Ontario, and Superior, Wisconsin, I quit Incan Ships Limited.
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M/V Incan Superior
M/V Incan Superior
Departing Thunder Bay with 26 rail cars.
Departing Thunder Bay with 26 rail cars.
Rail deck on Incan Superior in Thunder Bay.
Rail deck on Incan Superior in Thunder Bay.
1st. Rail car to be unloaded.
1st. Rail car to be unloaded.
First trip to Superior WI.
First trip to Superior WI.
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