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Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by garbear » March 31, 2017, 2:52 pm

Jerry at Duluth wrote:The Ryerson was a good earner on the Hamilton fun and on several trips, she hauled manganese ore from Quebec to Indiana Harbor, on the return trip. On the last trip in 2009, they received orders to proceed to Fraser Ship Yard and prepare the vessel for long term layup. At that time, there was a surplus of vessels and the Canadian ships were looking for a back haul cargo down the Seaway. They were willing to haul the Ryerson's cargos at a rate that was cheaper than hauling with the Ryerson. When all of the boats are sailing again and the rates are back up, you will probably see the Ryerson return to service.
I doubt if you'll ever see "all of the boats" sail again. To me there is no need for a U.S. laker that can only haul ore. There are no U.S. Great Lakes ports where she can unload, except maybe Ashtabula. When was the last time the bridge cranes were used in Indiana Harbor? Would love to see the Ryerson run again, but I think she will go the way of the many other lakers. She'll sail again at the end of a towline as she goes overseas for scrapping. Sad to see her in the slip across from CHS every time I go to Superior.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Jerry at Duluth » March 31, 2017, 10:39 am

The Ryerson was a good earner on the Hamilton fun and on several trips, she hauled manganese ore from Quebec to Indiana Harbor, on the return trip. On the last trip in 2009, they received orders to proceed to Fraser Ship Yard and prepare the vessel for long term layup. At that time, there was a surplus of vessels and the Canadian ships were looking for a back haul cargo down the Seaway. They were willing to haul the Ryerson's cargos at a rate that was cheaper than hauling with the Ryerson. When all of the boats are sailing again and the rates are back up, you will probably see the Ryerson return to service.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 31, 2017, 8:22 am

Odysseus wrote:
ivan wrote:What would the Ryerson haul for a backhaul cargo?
I think the bigger questions are these:

1. The Ryerson 5 year survey. It' probably due. Does the cost for that outweigh the benefit of bringing her out?

2. What's in it for ArcelorMittal? Essentially, they own the Ryerson in one way or another. How does this benefit them and their bottom line?

3. Your back-haul question is legit. If she did come out, then her back-haul cargos are going to be very limited due to vessel design, which might make her too expensive to run if just downbound loaded and upbound empty.

Just my initial thoughts, FWIW and $0.02.
Possible answer to Q3: US ore to QC then Labrador ore to Hamilton then in ballast back to Lake Superior.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Odysseus » March 30, 2017, 9:07 pm

ivan wrote:What would the Ryerson haul for a backhaul cargo?
I think the bigger questions are these:

1. The Ryerson 5 year survey. It' probably due. Does the cost for that outweigh the benefit of bringing her out?

2. What's in it for ArcelorMittal? Essentially, they own the Ryerson in one way or another. How does this benefit them and their bottom line?

3. Your back-haul question is legit. If she did come out, then her back-haul cargos are going to be very limited due to vessel design, which might make her too expensive to run if just downbound loaded and upbound empty.

Just my initial thoughts, FWIW and $0.02.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by ivan » March 30, 2017, 6:46 pm

What would the Ryerson haul for a backhaul cargo?

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by drydock » March 30, 2017, 1:59 pm

Might the Ryerson be useful in handling this increased volume to Quebec City?

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 30, 2017, 9:12 am

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Quebec City is supposed to receive at least 2.5 millions tons of Ore by CSL and Algoma, arriving from USA.
Fine, but, Is that more, less, or about the same as in other years?
Way more !

Heading to Quebec City, Whitefish Bay, CSL Assiniboine, Algoma Harvester, Algoma Mariner (Tim S. Dool in grain) and most of the lakers upbound for Duluth and Two Harbour will go to Quebec.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by garbear » March 29, 2017, 8:54 am

The Algoma Harvester is still loading at Two Harbors this a.m., but I see her AIS is showing a Quebec City destination. Also, CSL Assiniboine departed BNSF #5 late last night and her AIS is also showing a Quebec City destinatio

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 28, 2017, 1:56 pm

Guest wrote:Quebec City is supposed to receive at least 2.5 millions tons of Ore by CSL and Algoma, arriving from USA.
Fine, but, Is that more, less, or about the same as in other years?

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 28, 2017, 12:44 pm

Quebec City is supposed to receive at least 2.5 millions tons of Ore by CSL and Algoma, arriving from USA.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by garbear » March 28, 2017, 9:47 am

I see the John D. Leitch is showing up on the schedule to load pellets in Two Harbors as of this a.m.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by garbear » March 28, 2017, 3:16 am

I see the Latimer is heading down the Lake after departing Two Harbors and is showing a Hamilton destination on her AIS. Next Canadian laker due in Two Harbors is the Jackman and she's currently East of Outer Island in the Apostles. An aside. I see the Whitefish Bay has just departed BNSF #5 and is showing a Quebec City destination. Currently the CSL Assiniboine is inbound Superior for BNSF #5.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 27, 2017, 11:33 am

I was thinking about Nanticoke, too, but the unloading dock at Stelco only takes self-unloaders, so G3 Marquis and Algoma Harvester couldn't unload there.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by garbear » March 27, 2017, 10:24 am

Guest wrote:I see that several Canadian ships will be loading in Two Harbors in the next couple of days or so. (G3 Marquis, Radcliffe R. Latimer and Algoma Harvester.)

Are these movements of iron ore pellets going to Hamilton, or down the Seaway for eventual movement overseas?
I see on AIS the Latimer arrived Two Harbors this a.m.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Denny » March 27, 2017, 9:47 am

I see on the Port of Quebec's website three possible loads that may be going there from Lake Superior ports? They list the following the Algoma Transport, Tim S. Dool and the Rt. Hon. Paul J. Martin all due there I guess it is in the month of April. Besides Hamilton could any of these Ore loads possibly be heading to Nanticoke as well maybe? I know CSL usually takes shipments to Nanticoke but could Algoma possibly be loading a few cargoes as well and taking them to Nanticoke besides Hamilton and possibly Quebec? It was just a thought and idea is all that I had and nothing more than that.

Re: Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 27, 2017, 9:31 am

Captain Henry Jackman as well; some Hamilton some export through Quebec

Canadian Ships Loading In Two Harbors

by Guest » March 26, 2017, 6:06 pm

I see that several Canadian ships will be loading in Two Harbors in the next couple of days or so. (G3 Marquis, Radcliffe R. Latimer and Algoma Harvester.)

Are these movements of iron ore pellets going to Hamilton, or down the Seaway for eventual movement overseas?

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