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by **Guest** » September 13, 2024, 2:18 pm

Denny wrote: September 8, 2024, 6:51 pm Thanks for that information Scott and I love your view on this and everything you said comments included! I am also wondering why Interlake opted to have the PRT sit and wait all that time to load at BNSF when they could have instead had her haul a coal load or else maybe an ore load from another port such as Duluth or Two Harbors however I don’t recall then how much traffic backlog there was at the Duluth CN Dock or the Two Harbors Dock? Rather than have the PRT sit at anchor waiting to load at BNSF Dock I wonder instead if Interlake could have used another one of their footers or even a smaller vessel on that load and also, could Interlake had another firm and ship carry the PRT’s load to Burns Harbor or not? Sorry for so many of my questions just curious is all. Thanks again Scott for your great comments, info and viewpoints my friend!

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by **Denny** » September 11, 2024, 5:08 pm

They are due at Superior I think it is early tomorrow in the morning on September 12 to load. Let’s hope that this time they don’t have anymore issues like the last time they loaded. Hopefully this time everything goes better for them and Interlake as well.

by **Denny** » September 10, 2024, 7:01 am

Thanks for clearing us all up here Guest on that info as I have been very confused on this! You and another poster had mentioned them having engine issues as to why they were at anchor for so long, while some others said that they did load at the BNSF Dock in Superior and not up in Silver Bay! This from your explanation definitely helps to better understand what their issues were then. Thank You again for clearing that up and explaining that to all of us. They are now upbound in Northern Lake Michigan now as of 8 A.M. on September 10 heading back to Superior and their familiar coal load and run from there.

by **Guest** » September 9, 2024, 12:40 pm

The Tregurtha loaded a full cargo in Silver Bay and then anchored off Duluth for some engine modifications

by **Denny** » September 8, 2024, 6:51 pm

Thanks for that information Scott and I love your view on this and everything you said comments included! I am also wondering why Interlake opted to have the PRT sit and wait all that time to load at BNSF when they could have instead had her haul a coal load or else maybe an ore load from another port such as Duluth or Two Harbors however I don’t recall then how much traffic backlog there was at the Duluth CN Dock or the Two Harbors Dock? Rather than have the PRT sit at anchor waiting to load at BNSF Dock I wonder instead if Interlake could have used another one of their footers or even a smaller vessel on that load and also, could Interlake had another firm and ship carry the PRT’s load to Burns Harbor or not? Sorry for so many of my questions just curious is all. Thanks again Scott for your great comments, info and viewpoints my friend!

by **Scott** » September 8, 2024, 10:06 am

Denny wrote: September 6, 2024, 7:42 pm I can’t help you there on your question Guest or provide an honest answer only to say, I can’t begin to imagine the frustrations and lost time by Interlake, the PRT and their crew having the wrong ore loaded into them! What’s more is to travel all the way up to Silver Bay, unload the ore up there then return to Superior only then to be delayed even further by a flurry and backlog of ships loading at the BNSF Dock! Thinking it about it now, would it have saved them time and money to have another ship come up alongside the PRT and then receive the PRT’s ore cargo at that point? I’ve seen this happen numerous times when a ship receives the wrong cargo. Sometimes another ship is then summoned and used to receive the other ship’s cargo and I’m just surprised that it didn’t happen in this case as it might have saved a lot of delays and money with it also. Just my thoughts and opinions only here on this is all!

You are correct, Denny. Offloading cargoes from ship to ship is a practice often used. Couldn't that have been done in this case? It definitely could have saved time and money for Interlake. Instead, their largest capacity carrier was sidelined for who knows how long when it could have been hauling cargo. This is an expensive mistake. I'm sure that Interlake has options of recouping their losses from the company that owns the dock itself, BNSF? Interesting situation.

by **hayhugh** » September 7, 2024, 6:50 am

Paul Tregurtha is down bound on Lake Michigan bound for Burns Harbor.

by **Denny** » September 6, 2024, 7:42 pm

I can’t help you there on your question Guest or provide an honest answer only to say, I can’t begin to imagine the frustrations and lost time by Interlake, the PRT and their crew having the wrong ore loaded into them! What’s more is to travel all the way up to Silver Bay, unload the ore up there then return to Superior only then to be delayed even further by a flurry and backlog of ships loading at the BNSF Dock! Thinking it about it now, would it have saved them time and money to have another ship come up alongside the PRT and then receive the PRT’s ore cargo at that point? I’ve seen this happen numerous times when a ship receives the wrong cargo. Sometimes another ship is then summoned and used to receive the other ship’s cargo and I’m just surprised that it didn’t happen in this case as it might have saved a lot of delays and money with it also. Just my thoughts and opinions only here on this is all!

by **Guest** » September 6, 2024, 2:03 pm

Guest wrote: September 3, 2024, 10:36 am BNSF loaded the wrong ore into her, so the Tregurtha went up to Silver Bay to discharge it. Now she’s waiting her turn to load the correct ore at BNSF.

How does it happen that a dock crew can load the wrong pellets?

by **Denny** » September 4, 2024, 7:17 pm

As of 8:10 pm ET on September 4, the PRT is underway with Burns Harbor as their listed destination and they are due to arrive there on 9/7/24 in the morning hours and is of course all subject to change! In the meantime, backlog continues at both Duluth and Superior. Baie Comeau is in at BNSF now loading while John D. Leitch is still at anchor off of Superior. American Century is at Two Hatbors loading now and I thought I once saw Superior listed for her destination so, maybe due to the backlog they were then diverted to Two Harbors? Atlantic Huron is listed for Duluth whereas before, I thought I saw Superior listed for them though?

by **Denny** » September 4, 2024, 6:55 pm

I saw that very same thing too Bob. Agree, I too got very confused like you when I saw that one. Glad I got to see them once last month in August at the St. Clair River as at the rate it’s going so far for them, Heaven only knows now when I’ll be seeing them again? Hopefully not too long and before snow and ice season starts up!

by **Mn bob** » September 3, 2024, 9:28 pm

At one point after the big Paul loaded I thought I saw on there ais a destination of burns harbor that’s why I was confused as to why they were loaded and at anchor.

by **Denny** » September 3, 2024, 6:10 pm

At 7:00 p.m. ET on September 3, the backlog for the BNSF Dock continues as the Cort is still in and loading at the BNSF Dock. There are now 5 vessels all waiting to load ore at the BNSF Dock. The list includes, Baie Comeau, John D. Leitch, Rt. Hon. Paul J. Martin, the Paul R. Tregurtha all of which remain at anchor off of Duluth-Superior. American Century is at the Lakehead Pipeline Dock also with a Superior destination assuming then that they as well are waiting to load ore at the BNSF Dock in Superior? The Atlantic Huron departed from Algoma Steel at the Soo today and they are also listed with a Superior destination per their AIS which would then make 6 vessels all waiting to load ore at the BNSF Ore Dock in Superior! If this had been in December or in January, would we be seeing this many ships at anchor waiting to load ore at Superior or would there be order changes as far as a few of them being diverted to other ore loading ports instead? Just curious. Thanks for any info.

by **Denny** » September 3, 2024, 10:43 am

As of 11:30 A.M. ET on September 3, the Paul R. Tregurtha is still at anchor off of Duluth-Superior. The Cort is still at the BNSF Dock in Superior loading. There are in addition three Canadian vessels, Baie Comeau, John D. Leitch and the Rt. Hon. Paul J. Martin all at anchor waiting to load at BNSF in Superior after the Cort finishes. The Munson is also in loading at the CN Dock in Duluth. I wonder then if any of these can be changed and diverted to another port to load due to the delays and backlog? Wouldn’t they and their owners and customers be losing money sitting at anchor all this time? I always thought that time was money in the shipping business and one would think if you have a ship at anchor for several days, you’re not making much money then I would think? Why couldn’t some of the ships pull into either Duluth at the CN Dock or go on up to the CN Dock in Two Harbors? Wouldn’t this save them time then versus being at anchor off of Duluth? Sorry for so many questions and not trying to create a firestorm here just my thoughts only is all on this subject is all. Thanks.

by **Guest** » September 3, 2024, 10:36 am

BNSF loaded the wrong ore into her, so the Tregurtha went up to Silver Bay to discharge it. Now she’s waiting her turn to load the correct ore at BNSF.

by **Guest** » September 3, 2024, 7:50 am

Engine Problems.

by **Denny** » September 3, 2024, 6:00 am

As of 6:50 a.m. ET on September 3, the Paul R. Tregurtha is still anchored off of Duluth. Their AIS on Marine Traffic lists them having departed Silver Bay on 8/31/24 at 0911. The Cort is still docked at BNSF #5 Dock and loading still in Superior. There are also 3 others anchored outside all waiting to load at Superior BNSF. The Baie Comeau and the John D. Leitch and Rt. Hon. Paul J. Martin. I would say that there must have been since issues at Silver Bay as to why the PRT has been anchored off of Duluth? They must be waiting then to load ore pellets at BNSF #5 in Superior. Interlake has taken quite a bit of ore pellets on both of their footers the Barker and Miner to Burns Harbor and so the PRT most likely will be loading ore for Burns Harbor once they can get into Superior BNSF Dock to load.

by **Mn bob** » September 2, 2024, 9:09 pm

Denny, the big Paul was originally supposed to load at silver bay but must have got orders changed then to load at bnsf in superior. At least I saw her there on ais. Not sure if the weather is a factor as the winds have died down considerably so that’s why I’m curious why she’s at anchor. Hope this helps to somewhat answer your question about where she loaded. Be well my friend.

by **Denny** » September 2, 2024, 7:26 pm

As of 8:20 pm ET the PRT is still at anchor off of the Duluth area and the Cort is currently docked and loading at the BNSF Dock in Superior. There’s been a lot of traffic lately at the BNSF Dock in Superior as well as the CN Dock in Two Harbors. Each respective ore dock has seen lots of vessel loadings and delays with many vessels anchoring or arriving in the Twin Ports to await their turn to load next!

by **msppilot** » September 2, 2024, 5:04 pm

I have been wondering the same.

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