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Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Boat Driver » October 28, 2010, 6:56 pm

May I make one point. Oglebay Norton was not done in by fleet mis-mangement. We always carried our weight. It was bad decisions by the so called upper level managers and board of directors that caused the demise of O.N.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Guest » October 27, 2010, 8:17 pm

ASC (Boland and Cornelius) has been around for over 100 years. They have outlasted numerous companies including mighty Oglebay Norton. They are very capable of running steamers profitably and competently. It is more efficient to run a diesel vessel during this economic downturn. When business returns, the steamers will as well.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by sgrima » October 25, 2010, 8:14 pm

You have a master and 3 mates on each vessel, of the 4 bridge officers 3 including the captain have to have Great Lakes Pilotage before they can operate a ship.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Richard » October 25, 2010, 6:25 pm

Could ASC repower the steamers from steam to diesels like what
Interlake has done and then operate them as diesels someday?

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by serving 2 masters » October 25, 2010, 4:52 pm

An additional strike against either ship sailing for ASC stems from the inconvienience of dispatching steamers profitably. "Keep 'em Full & Moving" otherwise they are losing money. ASC has not had to deal with that sort of dynamic dispatching in many years. There are companies that could make money operating these vessels, but ASC is not one of them.

Tragedy really, they are good hulls yet, but steam requires special people in the front office, as well as aboard the boat.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Chad » October 13, 2010, 10:04 pm

Guest wrote:The SIU is made up of over 10,000 members and the AMO is made up of around 5,000 members. ASC would not have any problems crewing additional vessels if the opportunity presented itself
Thats not really accurate, because te SIU has nothing to do with the American Victory or American Fortitude.

And although AMO does have 5,000 members, very few of them have the Steam Engineer or Great Lakes Pilotage licenses required for the American Victory and American Fortitude.

ASC has already been forced to bring people out of retirement this year, even with 5 boats laid up.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Guest » October 13, 2010, 8:15 pm

Guest wrote:The SIU is made up of over 10,000 members and the AMO is made up of around 5,000 members. ASC would not have any problems crewing additional vessels if the opportunity presented itself
SIU, at present, has nothing to do with these vessels or any of the other boats they bought from Oglebay Norton. Regardless, i agree they would not have a problem finding crew.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Guest » October 13, 2010, 6:49 pm

The SIU is made up of over 10,000 members and the AMO is made up of around 5,000 members. ASC would not have any problems crewing additional vessels if the opportunity presented itself

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Guest » October 11, 2010, 2:03 am

Guest wrote:Only ASC can answer that and they haven't made any announcements.
Earlier this year, the company was looking for possible salt contracts for 1 or 2 of the steamers. Haven't heard anything further since. Due to a large number of retirements last year, there has been a shortage of mates and engineers on the ASC fleet ever since they brought out the last boat (Buffalo). Right now, I don't think they could dig up a crew to sail another boat. The situation with the Steelworkers doesn't make it any easier either to bring out one of the steamers.

Re: American Victory and Fortitude

by Guest » October 10, 2010, 10:20 am

Only ASC can answer that and they haven't made any announcements.

American Victory and Fortitude

by Guest » October 10, 2010, 10:09 am

Another post kind of made it sound like both the American Victory and American Fortitude have sailed their last. Does anyone have firm information on this? Are they done or will an improved economy bring them back out?

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