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by **fireman12** » November 25, 2010, 5:36 pm

Some canallers had their aft masts removed when they were modified with twin derricks and cargo booms , with the aft derrick mast having the navigation lights on the top . I`m still comvinced it`s the Algonquins because of the name length , the Sioux is much shorter in comparison with the photo .

by **oldseadog** » November 25, 2010, 9:38 am

fireman12 wrote:It is all likelihood the Algonquins , the pics I have of her in my database show her with no after mast , just a navigation light tree on top of the aft derrick post . The Sioux had an aftermast .

Namesakes 1956-1980 P. 446 Prescodoc, ex Sioux no aftermast showing in this photo October 25 1956, In the photo you can see where an extension has been added to the rear derrick mast and the rear mast removed, I suppose we are both right, the mast was there at one time.

by **Guest** » November 25, 2010, 3:12 am

Yes, Looking towards Canada from the US side. Peerless Cement in the foreground. I'm guessing that is the old Point Edward Fish Hatchery on the far shore. Here is a link to a 1940 chart of the area.

http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/tiled_ ... =43-2-1940

And if it works, here is a link to a photo of what I think is the other (east) side of the fish hatchery building.

The current fish hatchery is in a newer building well north of the bridges.

by **John From Brighton** » November 24, 2010, 9:07 pm

I am curious about the background of the photo. It looks like photo is taken from Pt Huron towards Sarnia and from south of the bridge, so the boat is heading into the lake, I think?
Does anybody know what the set of buildings along the Sarnia (Pt Edward) waterfront are?
Is it the Peerless Cement Plant in the foreground?

Thanks in advance.

by **Guest** » November 23, 2010, 9:36 pm

As RogerKYS`s initial picture shows , it was a white stack with a black smokeband and a black S for St Lawrence Steamships . The pic I uploaded has a dark looking stack but it could be a shadow effect or photo flaw , all St Lawrence SShips pics I have show the white funnel . And regarding the William C. Warren she was owned by Beaconsfield Steamship Ltd of Montreal .

by **TWilush** » November 23, 2010, 7:33 pm

I agree with the vessel in question being Algonquins, I have a close up stern view and can confirm she had no after mast.
Aside, what where the St. Lawrence stack colours?

by **fireman12** » November 23, 2010, 7:09 pm

It is all likelihood the Algonquins , the pics I have of her in my database show her with no after mast , just a navigation light tree on top of the aft derrick post . The Sioux had an aftermast .

by **William Lafferty** » November 22, 2010, 10:39 pm

The trunk deck was not removed from the Algonquins, which would have been extremely difficult since it would have affected the machinery spaces in lowering the fantail. In anticipation of their use in wartime in projected ocean operation, a number of canallers were deepened to increase their capacity and freeboard to conform to British Corporation standards. The Algonquins had this done in 1939-1940 at Muir Bros. DDCoLtd, Port Dalhousie. It appears the trunk was removed, when in fact the main deck of the vessel was raised to its height, including the forecastle which supported an enlarged pilothouse. Here is a photo I took of the Troisdoc far down the South Branch of the Chicago River at Cermak Road in May 1962 which I think illustrates the increase in freeboard relative to that in the views of the Algonquins posted here.

by **oldseadog** » November 22, 2010, 5:02 pm

Re the name Algonquins, I would say you are correct, but the trunk may have been removed at one time, the free board remains, according to the photo I have of the Troisdoc,

by **John McC** » November 22, 2010, 9:31 am

Regarding the name on the Algonquins - it appears to be in the exact same location as in Roger's picture and very much the same in length, a similarity not found in the other pictures.

by **oldseadog** » November 21, 2010, 9:54 pm

Unless the trunk decks were removed at some time or another,I don't think its the Algonquins, In a 1961 photo Troisdoc does not have a trunk deck nor does the Prescondoc in a 1956 photo (Sioux) abeit, the two don't have the mast behind the funnel. The wheelhouse is square, typical of St Lawrence vessels. In the photo sent by Roger, the name seems long on the quarter stern side on the raised portion of the truck deck. Having said that, I don't have an answer unless the Algonquins and the Sioux, had their trunk decks removed, but I can't see the reason why they would remove them.

by **John McC** » November 21, 2010, 10:55 am

Having studied all the photos I would go with Algonquins based on the fact that it is the only one that does not appear to have a mast behind the stack.

by **William Lafferty** » November 21, 2010, 10:14 am

I think she is one of the two sisters, Algonquins or Sioux, that ran for St. Lawrence Steamships, Ltd., Welland, Ontario, 1929-1946. Those are definitely St. Lawrence colors (which the Warren never carried). The former became Paterson's Troisdoc, the latter their Prescodoc. Another SLSLtd possibility is Cheyenne, later Soreldoc.

by **Mr Link** » November 21, 2010, 4:14 am

Perhaps that's a full width deck over the third hold, and not just a trunk deck. If so, perhaps its the Algonquins, Delaware (Imari), or Cheyenne (Phenicia) of the St. Lawrence Steamships Ltd. They all carried an "S" on their stack.

by **Timerover51** » November 20, 2010, 10:25 pm

Look at the bow, gentlemen. The pilot house and forecastle are totally different in the two photos.

by **oldseadog** » November 20, 2010, 9:16 pm

I looked at a couple other photos of the William C Warren, it does not show a trunk deck.

by **schipper** » November 20, 2010, 8:41 pm

There is a good picture here.

by **Mr Link** » November 20, 2010, 8:32 pm

Roger, Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, it looks like the vessel in the photo you posted has a trunk deck extending to the second mast. The Bowling Green photo of the William C Warren doesn't seen to show a trunk deck.

Tom

by **BigRiver** » November 20, 2010, 7:49 pm

Any thoughts on what vessel this might be? I was thinking William C. Warren, but I don't have a really good photo to compare.

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