Edward l. Ryerson Updates?

[geysir21]

Going through Duluth and Superior yesterday I spotted the old gal looking very drab and dirty. The Ryerson no longer looks like the shiny Queen of the Lakes. I doubt she ever sails again.

[Guest]

The ryerson has been sitting since 2008 and I think it was around 4 years ago that there was plans to put it back into service as it was in drydock at Fraser shipyard, but then something apparently happened either with the contract that they were going to have or whatever reason that the deal fell through, but my point is why don’t they just scrap the ship instead of paying dockage fees yearly? Obviously there is too many complications to convert her into a self unloader and there is really no need for a bulk carrier. Does the company really get that much of a tax break still having the ship listed in there fleet to offset the cost of paying dockage fees? I’m just curious as there are a few hulls such as the American valor and ryerson and callaway and blough that will probably never return to service so why not get the money out of them for scrap?

There is really no tax break on these old ships. They were amortized years ago.however they do represent significant $ value on the company balance sheet plus many have useable parts available for other ships in the fleet.glf could conceivably activate the Anderson or Clarke if they have another loss calamity but it’s a better bet they get scrapped. When scrap prices are high enough they will get sold.fast Eddie is different. When the Ryerson family no longer controls Ryerson steel it will be sold but that could be long in the future.

[Mn bob]

The ryerson has been sitting since 2008 and I think it was around 4 years ago that there was plans to put it back into service as it was in drydock at Fraser shipyard, but then something apparently happened either with the contract that they were going to have or whatever reason that the deal fell through, but my point is why don’t they just scrap the ship instead of paying dockage fees yearly? Obviously there is too many complications to convert her into a self unloader and there is really no need for a bulk carrier. Does the company really get that much of a tax break still having the ship listed in there fleet to offset the cost of paying dockage fees? I’m just curious as there are a few hulls such as the American valor and ryerson and callaway and blough that will probably never return to service so why not get the money out of them for scrap?

[Guest]

To get a license you need Sea Time. 180 days if you go to a Maritime Academy. 720 days if you come up the Hawsepipe.

Plus Marine Engineers have to have repair knowledge of way more things than just running a boiler.

Do the companies have apprenticeship programs outside of the academies?

Not in the traditional sense. But the Hawsepipe is similar. Starting as a Wiper and
gaining experience to a QMED and then to an Engineer. But that's 720 days

[Guest]

It's more likely to go the other way- get credit for marine experience/licenses when looking to obtain a shore-based stationary engineer license. That's a very common career move. For a number of reasons, going the other way is much more difficult and rare.

That’s a common occurrence as many guys discover they don’t like being gone from home nor ship life. I knew several cadets who never sailed after graduation but went straight to shore based jobs. Qualified in hvac boilers refrigeration electrical diesel power etc. that coast guard license opens doors everywhere

[Under_Pressure]

It's more likely to go the other way- get credit for marine experience/licenses when looking to obtain a shore-based stationary engineer license. That's a very common career move. For a number of reasons, going the other way is much more difficult and rare.

[Ohio Bob]

To get a license you need Sea Time. 180 days if you go to a Maritime Academy. 720 days if you come up the Hawsepipe.

Plus Marine Engineers have to have repair knowledge of way more things than just running a boiler.

Do the companies have apprenticeship programs outside of the academies?

[Guest]

To get a license you need Sea Time. 180 days if you go to a Maritime Academy. 720 days if you come up the Hawsepipe.

Plus Marine Engineers have to have repair knowledge of way more things than just running a boiler.

[Guest]

Any license they would have has to meet coast guard approval which most likely means they would have to pass the coast guard exams. Individual states are not in the mix for mariners.. falls under coast guard jurisdiction.

[Ohio Bob]

Another thing is it is getting tough as Hell to find steam engineers! The higher licenses like Chief and 1st Assistant Engineer are hard to fill. Take the Sykes. You get a lot of retired engineers in to fill in for guys going on vacation or for open vacancies. If you know anyone looking to work as 1st tell them to call Central Marine Logistics or the AMO hiring hall in Toledo! If you break out the Ryerson you're going to amplify that problem!

I was Director over several hospitals, one of which has high pressure boilers and steam turbines. For awhile we ran into the same problem... finding qualified Stationary Engineers. Then a pipeline opened up... literally! We started hiring from the local refineries. They all hold 2nd or 1st Class Stationary Engineer licenses (Ohio, but each state is different). While they had to get up to speed on the machinery and operation, they knew the basic principles inside and out. We could not match their pay levels, but many were anxious to get into a more typical 40 hour per week job with much lower safety risks.

How do the fleets deal with the different state licensing? Do they accept any license from any state as a starting point?

[Guest]

Fast Eddie won’t be “ broken out” only voyage will be on a tow line someday.

[Guest]

Another thing is it is getting tough as Hell to find steam engineers! The higher licenses like Chief and 1st Assistant Engineer are hard to fill. Take the Sykes. You get a lot of retired engineers in to fill in for guys going on vacation or for open vacancies. If you know anyone looking to work as 1st tell them to call Central Marine Logistics or the AMO hiring hall in Toledo! If you break out the Ryerson you're going to amplify that problem!

[Denny]

As mentioned, I don’t believe too she will ever sail again as she would probably first need a 5-year CG Drydocking & Survey done on her first. I would think one of her biggest issues is “lack of a self-unloading boom!” IF she were to ever be converted it would be a huge project and I thought I’ve read and heard here by many that she would need to have her cargo hold reconfigured and that would lower her carrying capacity then at that point. A lot of money and dollars that would need to be put into her and invested in her. Would I like to see her return to service then someday at that point? Sure and absolutely as who wouldn’t want to see this classic ship and real beauty of a laker return to service someday. However, the truth and facts are I think that in today’s market there just isn’t a place for her at this time. The same can be said and hold true for the Sherwin as well along with the Anderson and the Clarke. I love the old classic lakers but, times have changed and still continue yet today along with the economics and the industry in general as a whole. At least we will always remember and cherish the memories of the “Good ‘Ole Days then!”

[Guest]

Nope

[Hunter]

Hey yall, I was wondering if anyone had any updates on the Ryerson? I know a while ago her ais was turned back on for a little bit then turned back off. I know the trades are down all the way around, but do you guys think she will ever sail again?
Thanks!