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beecher wrote:

"More geographically appropriate, but as equally unlikely, would be to erect them next to the Mather in Cleveland!"

The Mather folks had discussions with the Cleveland Friends of the Huletts folks and the City. The "Friends of the Hulett" folks want to erect a Hulett and have no money. They want to continue to litigate over the improper removal of these Huletts. The mediating USACE has grown tired of the angry "Friends". This process has been going on for decades.
The City will not allow a Hulett to be installed on that prime property of dock 32. The FAA will have issues as well because it would be directly in the flight path of 6L Burke. It will not happen. The Mather offered to install a bucket and arm into a cargo hold but the 'Friends balked only when they were told they would not be allowed to be part of the planning, install, and interpretive process by the Mather folks.
The cost to erect one Hulett would be millions of dollars. Reasonable alternatives have been proposed in earnest. The USACE will make a decision some day of what to do with the rusting remains stacked on Whiskey Island and I would bet the "Friends" will not be any part of their decision.
Reasonable is the key word here. The Mather's cargo hold renovation plans are moving on without them now. Toledo and Cleveland should have got an arm for their Museum freighters paid out of the remaining scrap. There are switch cars too.

I wasn't really seriously suggesting anything, as I'm aware of all of the issues you mention. My only additional comment would be that I attended a presentation by the "Friends" a few years back, and it was really just an incoherent rant, that went on for the better part of an hour!

Jared wrote:With all of the Huletts going the way of extinction, how will the straight deckers endure let alone be profitable to their owners? Will the Ryerson be installed with a unloading system or will she be sent to scrap?

The Huletts haven't been a factor in unloading the straight-deckers in quite some time. As others have pointed out, there is still shore side unloading equipment at several US and Canadian ports like Indiana Harbor and Hamilton, and those ports are where vessels like the Ryerson call. And virtually any port can unload straight-deckers via the use of mobile cranes, as was the case with the Ryerson at Lorain several years ago. I don't really know anything about the economics of running straight-deckers or converting them to self-unloaders, so I will leave that to the shipowners!

With all of the Huletts going the way of extinction, how will the straight deckers endure let alone be profitable to their owners? Will the Ryserson be installed with a unloading system or will she be sent to scrap?

"More geographically appropriate, but as equally unlikely, would be to erect them next to the Mather in Cleveland!"

The Mather folks had discussions with the Cleveland Friends of the Huletts folks and the City. The "Friends of the Hulett" folks want to erect a Hulett and have no money. They want to continue to litigate over the improper removal of these Huletts. The mediating USACE has grown tired of the angry "Friends". This process has been going on for decades.

The City will not allow a Hulett to be installed on that prime property of dock 32. The FAA will have issues as well because it would be directly in the flight path of 6L Burke. It will not happen. The Mather offered to install a bucket and arm into a cargo hold but the 'Friends balked only when they were told they would not be allowed to be part of the planning, install, and interpretive process by the Mather folks.

The cost to erect one Hulett would be millions of dollars. Reasonable alternatives have been proposed in earnest. The USACE will make a decision some day of what to do with the rusting remains stacked on Whiskey Island and I would bet the "Friends" will not be any part of their decision.

Reasonable is the key word here. The Mather's cargo hold renovation plans are moving on without them now. Toledo and Cleveland should have got an arm for their Museum freighters paid out of the remaining scrap. There are switch cars too.

hausen wrote:Of course this is a long shot / real unlikely, but it would be great to see them reassembled alongside the Schoonmaker in Toledo. If they got one back in working order they could probably charge for rides in the cab in and out of her holds.

More geographically appropriate, but as equally unlikely, would be to erect them next to the Mather in Cleveland!

Of course this is a long shot / real unlikely, but it would be great to see them reassembled alongside the Schoonmaker in Toledo. If they got one back in working order they could probably charge for rides in the cab in and out of her holds.

duck wrote:

kpgubert wrote: The main reason I started this post was to see of there are still any Huletts operating anywhere.

As others have posted, the two former Republic Steel/LTV Huletts at South Chicago were scrapped in Feb-March 2010. In later years. they just unloaded coal barges to feed the adjacent coke plant. When I visited them in May 2008, they had not been used in some time, and the coke plant was being demolished.

Two of the four Huletts from Whiskey Island in Cleveland were saved (in pieces), although their future is far from certain.

kpgubert wrote:It seems to me a large part of this is the future of the Ryerson. Is there still equipment that can unload when she returns to service?

It's not just the Ryerson, there are still a handful of Canadian straight-deckers still operating. Last time the Ryerson was running it went from the Twin Ports (Duluth/Superior) to Hamilton to unload.

The main reason I started this post was to see of there are still any Hulletts operating anywhere.

It seems to me a large part of this is the future of the Ryerson. Is there still equipment that can unload when she returns to service?

duck wrote:I was wondering as to the locations of remaining dockside unloaders. I know there are some Hulletts remaining in South Chicago (non operational) and in Hamilton they have some clam-shell cranes.

Anyone know of any other locations? Feel free to post some pictures if you have them.

There are two large bridge cranes built in the late 1990s at the Dofasco / ArcelorMittal steel mill in Hamilton, ON.

Paul A wrote:Spring of 2010 if I remember right. There's photos of the scrapping back in the news pics.

Here is the April 5th 2010 News section. A couple photos of them in there. I couldn't find any others right now.

http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newsthumbs ... s_1038.htm

I believe Essar Steel in the Sault still has one unloading bridge on its ore dock. Don't believe it has been used to unload vessels in a long time - used to feed ore from the dock to the blast furnace if I'm not mistaken.

STomlinson wrote:When were the South Chicago Hullets taken down? In 2007 they were still standing.

Spring of 2010 if I remember right. There's photos of the scrapping back in the news pics.

Superior's CLM dock still has a bridge crane. I don't think it's unloaded a boat in more than a decade but the company still uses it to move stone around the dock after its been unloaded by self-unloaders.

When were the South Chicago Hullets taken down? In 2007 they were still standing.

In South Chicago, at Archelor Mittal East you might see a Canadian straight decker being unloaded by the rigs. And then, if the Ryerson were ever to come out again... Best wishes Mike

Thanks for the replys, I wasn't aware that the Chicago hullets were gone. I guess that was a few years ago that I saw them.

So I guess all the Hullets are gone then.

I was looking at satellite views of Indiana Harbor and Zug Island and those loaders. Still pretty massive. I would love to see one unloading a straight decker some day. Probably won't happen though.

S. Chicago Hulletts are gone, dismantled for scrap some time ago. Besides Hamilton, there are still unloaders left in Detroit (along the river) and at the Indiana Harbor steel mill.

The Hulletts in South Chicago have been dismantled.

I was wondering as to the locations of remaining dockside unloaders. I know there are some Hulletts remaining in South Chicago (non operational) and in Hamilton they have some clam-shell cranes.

Anyone know of any other locations? Feel free to post some pictures if you have them.